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2nd amp needed

FX195

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Yamaha
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2018
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AR
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Currently have a JL M600/6 powering 2 6.5s at bow, 2 7.7s at cabin and 1 10" IB sub at helm. Recently added 2 8.8s at rear seats/storage so I'm trying to figure out how I should proceed to power 2 additional speakers. For the time being I have the 6.5s powered by the HU on zone 2 ( crappy sound ), the sub is bridged on chn 5&6 , basically amps is powering 7.7s, 8.8s and 10" sub. It does sound pretty good. I was wondering would it be better to just get a small 2 chn amp to power bow speakers or get a mono amp for sub and power the 6.5s from M600. Sorry for lengthy post..
 
Currently have a JL M600/6 powering 2 6.5s at bow, 2 7.7s at cabin and 1 10" IB sub at helm. Recently added 2 8.8s at rear seats/storage so I'm trying to figure out how I should proceed to power 2 additional speakers. For the time being I have the 6.5s powered by the HU on zone 2 ( crappy sound ), the sub is bridged on chn 5&6 , basically amps is powering 7.7s, 8.8s and 10" sub. It does sound pretty good. I was wondering would it be better to just get a small 2 chn amp to power bow speakers or get a mono amp for sub and power the 6.5s from M600. Sorry for lengthy post..
You're mixing levels of speakers here...it'll work fine, but not optimal. If you just want all the coaxial speakers to put out similar sound levels, then use the M600 for them, and get a mono amp to power the sub which you can then tune to match the speaker output.
 
Makes sense, didn't even think about that part of the equation. Any recommendations for mono amp for the sub, its a JL M3 10" IB. Thanks for your response.
 
I have been re-evaluating my audio situation, as well. It might be helpful to advise specific models of each speaker and their respective RMS ratings. My recommendations below could be terrible if your 7,7s are rated at 150W RMS. I had a bit of 12V experience in the car world many years ago. In general you should shoot for ~75%+ of the RMS rating of the speaker to be able to drive them with authority and not be underwhelmed with their performance, avoiding clipping, etc

For reference, I have an M600/6 amp and an M200/2 amp and 2 pairs of MX650 (one pair in bow, one pair in stern), MX770 tower speakers and 2-10" M10IB3 subs.

My MX650's are rated 60W RMS. They will sound lousy with less than 20W (your factory head unit likely puts out little more than 10W per channel). The M600/6 is 2 ohm stable, I was able to wire both pairs of 6.5's in parallel using only 2 channels 2X100W@2ohm, effectively 50W per speaker. After proper tuning and gain settings there is not a lot of difference in output or sound quality by taking advantage of the 2 ohm stability. I did potentially lose the ability to balance the front 6.5s vs the rear 6.5s but never messed with the fader for the 6.5s any way. Same 2 amp channels on a single pair of speakers are 2x75W@4 ohm. I think you can see the benefit. 2 ohms load is obviously harder on the amp but if you are using JL Audio, Wet Sounds, maybe mid or higher end Hertz, Fusion or Rockford Fosgate they likely have 2 ohm stable amps.

Spend no money option:
Channels 1&2: You could try running your bow 6.5s and cabin 7.7s in parallel (2 ohm load) and free up 2 channels on your M600. You could set-up the crossover a bit higher 90-100hz and let the subwoofer cross a bit higher, but you then nullify some of the capability of the 7.7s, but you could likely be driving these 4 speakers decently using only 2 channels. Do this first and be honest with yourself if you are getting enough out of the 7.7s- will affect all recommendations below.

Channels 3&4- I'd guess the 8.8s need more than 75W to do them justice, but try it... it won't be terrible. Unfortunately, if this does not get you the result you want, I have found the JL Audio M line amps kinda stink for this application, to drive your 8.8's you almost need an M400/4 ($650) running bridged to get 180Wx2@4 ohms *JUST* to drive your 8.8's. Stepping up to bigger power in MHD product line is double the coin.

Channels 5&6- you are golden, as-is- if your 10" IB is an M3 level JL sub- they will sound great with 200W

Spend a bit initially , but net out only a couple hundred out of pocket:
Buy an M800/8 and sell your M600/6 on the classifieds here.
Now you have 2 extra channels to work with and you can run the M8.8s bridged on channels 4&5 / Channels 5&6 and give them the power they likely need. This is probably best option if the 7.7s do ok running parallel with the 6.5s

Spend a lot option:
I also really want to keep my system all JL Audio but the Wet Sound SYN-DX series just offer a lot more bang for the buck, especially for something like your 8.8s. SYN-DX4 is 4 X150W RMS @ 4 ohms... less than $600 shipped with promo code EDDIE10 (credit to @jacoviii)
Wet Sounds SYN-DX Series Marine Amplifiers | Babbitts Online

Adding the SYN-DX4 to your M600/6:
M600/6
Channels 1&2- bow 6.5s
Channels 3&4- cabin 7.7s
Channels 5&6- IB 10 sub

SYN-DX4
Channels 1&2- stern 8.8s
Channels 3&4- open for future nonsense (12" M7 sub) :)
 
Great info motomark73, I would also like to keep all gear JL but if the price is right I will have no problem getting what would work best as long as it it quality stuff. SYN-DX4 is def a good deal. System already sounds pretty good ,all JL except the 8.8s which are Polks Ultramarine. Thanks for the detailed response, its appreciated.
 
all JL except the 8.8s which are Polks Ultramarine.
First rule of good audio, never mix brands as the drivers will never sound the same. Even within one brand like JL Audio, you shouldn't mix coaxial driver sizes as the mids and highs have different drivers and different tonal quality. Ideally all of your main speakers should be the same brand and size, subs are for bass only so there you have some room to play.

Amps have one purpose, to drive your speakers, so you can mix and match if you want. But speakers need to be carefully matched if you want good and consistent sound.
 
Got it, makes sense. I was trying to get a little more sound and lows when sitting on rear deck or outside the boat (within a few feet), the 8.8s accomplished that. I could def tell that the JLs are a bit cleaner when playing loud but the 8.8s were affordable compared to others and of course availability.
 
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