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Cut Anchor Lines are a Cause for Drownings

sunbyrned

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Just an FYI. I had to cut my anchor line a few weeks ago. The anchor was caught under a tree, old car, some cable, who knows. I could lift it but the tension kept getting stronger to the point that it was actually pulling me in. (Which by the way, make sure your feet and hands don’t get tangled up in that situation.) I eventually lifted as high as I could and cut the rope, trying to leave as little rope as possible in the lake. This morning I just read that cut anchor lines is a cause for drownings. Ugh! If I had to do it again, I would look for a way to sink the cut end as well.
 
Link to article? I would like to understand the data behind that.
 

Maybe it is too early for me... but I didn't see anything stating old anchor lines cause drowning. I don't see really any reason for the drownings other than people jump in and the water is deeper than they expect or are unfamiliar with the area..

Only mention is this "“If it’s an old anchor line off a boat or if it’s a tree so there is just a lot of unforeseen dangers beyond the obvious when it comes to any body of water,” he said. "
 
Maybe it is too early for me... but I didn't see anything stating old anchor lines cause drowning. I don't see really any reason for the drownings other than people jump in and the water is deeper than they expect or are unfamiliar with the area..

Only mention is this "“If it’s an old anchor line off a boat or if it’s a tree so there is just a lot of unforeseen dangers beyond the obvious when it comes to any body of water,” he said. "
The article is about increase in drownings and the statement ““If it’s an old anchor line off a boat or if it’s a tree so there is just a lot of unforeseen dangers beyond the obvious when it comes to any body of water,” he said.” is where I come to my conclusion. I’m interpreting “old anchor lines” as a cut line. If not, I’m not sure they would bother using “old” in the description.
 
How do you interpret it?
I can see the dangers of an old anchor line. Entanglement under water, and created a "trapped" situation. I'm not sure I would take a casual bank fishermans word as it being a leading cause. I have ZERO data, but I would guess the number of drownings attributed to being entangled in an underwater line is relatively low, and there are far greater dangers under the surface than an anchor line..........However, I do think it merits some discussion.

I think sinking both ends would make a larger danger than one loose and one fixed end. You would essentially be creating an underwater "hoop" if you sunk both ends. What are the options here though? You can't retrieve it, and you can't stay there forever guarding it. You can sink the other end with a weight of some sort (if you have something else onboard to sacrifice to the water), or you can leave the cut in loose and "floating". I would suppose if you're in more than ~25ft of water, getting that far under to become entangled from simply jumping off a boat (even a dive off a two story pontoon/houseboat). You would almost HAVE to be trying to get that deep. Perhaps sinking the cut end is the correct answer?

Another thought is the effect on wildlife. If you're going to lose an anchor, does a floating line, or a "hooped" line cause more danger for local wildlife? We don't have giant sea animals here in KY, but along the coast I would suspect a "hooped" line to be worse for large creatures under the surface.

I'm curious if there is a "marine standard practice" on what to do with a lost anchor and line in this situation. Should we all avoid using polypropylene (or other floating material )rope so that the whole bundle naturally sinks itself?

As a side note in that video alone, there were far greater dangers than an anchor line. Saw one guy sitting on the bow rails while underway on a ski boat. Two guys going out with no shirts, and no obvious PFD's in the boat (might be under the seat, but still). Lots of "lack of PFD" use in general, and honestly I'm bad about that as well. I keep the boys in PFD's if they are on the water. Period. Then I have the throwable next to the captains chair at all times, and there are enough vests in the top of the ski locker for all adults on board. Should the fit hit the shan and we need them in a hurry, they can be handed out without a single person standing up from their seat and causing any additional chaos on top of what's already happening. That is completely glazing over the shear number of boaters in/out of that ramp at Taylorsville. We use that ramp often, and I won't let the boys walk from the truck to the boat because of all the traffic. Impatient drivers and captains create all kinds of dangers there, but that's another story.
 
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The article reinforces that there are unseen dangers in the water that you can't see, this should have included currents as dangers also.
I have a 2 main rules that I enforce on my boat, if you break either of them you will be brought back to the dock and won't be allowed back on my boat.
1. Never go in the water without a life jacket, period no questions asked.
2. Never swim around marinas or private docks, this is also no questions asked.
 
I can see the dangers of an old anchor line. Entanglement under water, and created a "trapped" situation. I'm not sure I would take a casual bank fishermans word as it being a leading cause. I have ZERO data, but I would guess the number of drawings attributed to being entangled in an underwater line is relatively low, and there are far greater dangers under the surface than an anchor line..........However, I do think it merits some discussion.

I think sinking both ends would make a larger danger than one loose and one fixed end. You would essentially be creating an underwater "hoop" if you sunk both ends. What are the options here though? You can't retrieve it, and you can't stay there forever guarding it. You can sink the other end with a weight of some sort (if you have something else onboard to sacrifice to the water), or you can leave the cut in loose and "floating". I would suppose if you're in more than ~25ft of water, getting that far under to become entangled from simply jumping off a boat (even a dive off a two story pontoon/houseboat). You would almost HAVE to be trying to get that deep. Perhaps sinking the cut end is the correct answer?

Another thought is the effect on wildlife. If you're going to lose an anchor, does a floating line, or a "hooped" line cause more danger for local wildlife? We don't have giant sea animals here in KY, but along the coast I would suspect a "hooped" line to be worse for large creatures under the surface.

I'm curious if there is a "marine standard practice" on what to do with a lost anchor and line in this situation. Should we all avoid using Nylon (or other floating material )rope so that the whole bundle naturally sinks itself?

As a side note in that video alone, there were far greater dangers than an anchor line. Saw one guy sitting on the bow rails while underway on a ski boat. Two guys going out with no shirts, and no obvious PFD's in the boat (might be under the seat, but still). Lots of "lack of PFD" use in general, and honestly I'm bad about that as well. I keep the boys in PFD's if they are on the water. Period. Then I have the throwable next to the captains chair at all times, and there are enough vests in the top of the ski locker for all adults on board. Should the fit hit the shan and we need them in a hurry, they can be handed out without a single person standing up from their seat and causing any additional chaos on top of what's already happening. That is completely glazing over the shear number of boaters in/out of that ramp at Taylorsville. We use that ramp often, and I won't let the boys walk from the truck to the boat because of all the traffic. Impatient drivers and captains create all kinds of dangers there, but that's another story.
Good points made about the rope. Perhaps cutting and just leaving it there was/is the best thing.
 
Good points made about the rope. Perhaps cutting and just leaving it there was/is the best thing.
One FB group I'm on seems to recommend tying a buoy to the anchor line before you cut it and either going back to get it when the water comes down a bit, or finding a diver buddy to go retrieve it.
 
An anchor trip line tied to either a float or the anchor line itself is a good idea if your worried about getting your anchor stuck.

I use a buoy mostly to remind other boats to not run over my anchor. If you use an underwater trip line obviously it needs to be as long as the water is deep.

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I agree with the use of a trip line and use this method to see where the anchor is, marked by floating buoy, and to retrieve it when fouled or stuck. There is a lot of sunken stuff down there. We usually anchor in less than 25' of water and being a diver, It is not hard to get down there on a snorkel to free the anchor, but sometimes you just don't want to get wet.
To deploy or not to deploy Trip Lines (aka Anchor Buoys)

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The article reinforces that there are unseen dangers in the water that you can't see, this should have included currents as dangers also.
I have a 2 main rules that I enforce on my boat, if you break either of them you will be brought back to the dock and won't be allowed back on my boat.
1. Never go in the water without a life jacket, period no questions asked.
2. Never swim around marinas or private docks, this is also no questions asked.
That's rough captain. How might they do proper cannonballs? ;)
 
avoid using Nylon (or other floating material )rope so that the whole bundle naturally sinks itself?
This. First sign of a novice boater is floating anchor line, using polypropylene really puts them over the top. Coming from a water rescue and recovery first responder and public safety diver as well as an Instructor for water rescue and emergency boat ops. Floating cut anchor lines are deadly for man and beast, especially in current.
 
I'm curious if there is a "marine standard practice" on what to do with a lost anchor and line in this situation. Should we all avoid using Nylon (or other floating material )rope so that the whole bundle naturally sinks itself?
Nylon does not float. I think you mean polypropelene, which floats and is not a suitable material for anchoring.
 
This has all been very interesting and informative. I’m relieved to know that my cut line actually sunk on it’s own. Perhaps the article could have pointed out which ropes are suitable for anchor lines.
 
This has all been very interesting and informative. I’m relieved to know that my cut line actually sunk on it’s own. Perhaps the article could have pointed out which ropes are suitable for anchor lines.

Anchor rode should be 3-strand nylon not only because they sink, but also its stretch and ability to take shock out of the line before the energy is transfered to the boat. It also should be used with a proper section of chain between it and the anchor. You can also splice your own eyes and thimbles into it easily.

 
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Found this excerpt in another post...

Agreed. We boat mostly at Lake Cumberland with avg depth of 75’ with visibility only about 6’. Kids 100% vests when underway or swimming. Adults strongly encouraged to wear vests or belt when we are swimming - if for no other reason than it’s easier to hold a drink when not treading water. Plus rather be safe than sorry. Got an anchor rope around my leg once in the water and the only thing that saved me was my vest and ability to grab the boat. No one knew and I was less than 5 feet from everyone. Stuff can happen fast.

Rule number 1 on my boat - no one gets hurt.
Rule number 2 - everyone has fun.
 
I had no idea about this and looked up what anchor line I bought - of course it’s MFP polypropylene and floating. It seems most of the light weight cheap anchor specific lines are. That’s pretty annoying that they’re marketed as the appropriate line.

I’ve never lost an anchor but I was out jet skiing two weeks ago and found a long black tow rope floating in a cove that had somehow gotten the handle stuck on the bottom. I also had no idea what to do with it so I just tied it up in a big ball so it was a little more visible and less likely to wrap someone up. Kinda scary being black and in a cove where swimmers are likely.
 
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