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Hidden switch or other options?

LakeGuyNE

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Location
Lake of the Ozarks, Mossuri
Boat Make
Yamaha
Year
2019
Boat Model
Limited S
Boat Length
21
Wondering if anyone has put a "hidden" switch to prevent anyone from being able to start the boat and drive off with it.

I am looking at buying a condominium with a common slip for the owner's boats. It seems like it would be easy for someone to steal a boat.

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on how to prevent my 2019 Yamaha 212 Ltd from being stolen?

I am planning to attach a cable with a lock, but that could be easily cut.
 
Almost all boats are easily stolen, most people I know leave the keys on the boat anyway. Fuel shutoff would be good then they get about 100’ out and it quits.
 
Yes just put a switch to the fuel pump
 
I think it would be good if you could put a switch somewhere that would prevent the boat from cranking, as someone could burn your starters up trying if you only shut off the fuel supply. Maybe a hidden switch to the clean out hatch, as the engines don't crank with switch open.
 
I use all the OEM safety features the boat came with. For example, I shift the levers out of neutral: boat won’t start. I also prop the the clean out port hatch with a cork: hatch is open (not obvious) boat won’t start. Turn off the battery switches. Combine all these and good luck for a thief to figure all this out.
 
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Just brainstorming here, If you are concerned someone could be messing with your boat you could add a hidden switch that disconnects ignition and crank, and makes the horn come on instead when they crank the boat.

With enough electronics you could make the horn stay active even after they stop cranking until they hit your hidden switch. (But making the horn "beep" is probably not very hard.

I have heard of boats stolen mostly by towing them away in the dark of night, and so few people physically secure the boat to the dock (Chain? PadLock? no idea.) Only the real beefy padlocks provide some minutes of resistance to a trained pro, but certainly make it harder than nothing...as long as you are better secured than the next boat, that adds an advantage)

My humble opinion... What you also need is good insurance, so if it happens the loss is covered.
 
I've never heard of a boat being stolen from a slip. I'm sure it happens, but it's a difficult crime that needs preparation with a truck and trailer. I've spent a lot of time around the docks and most people leave the keys in the boat.
 
I have heard of it happening both in Miami and in Corpus Christi. Boat is towed from the dock, never to be seen again, likely exported.

I'm sure it's not frequent, but it happens.
 
I think it would be good if you could put a switch somewhere that would prevent the boat from cranking, as someone could burn your starters up trying if you only shut off the fuel supply. Maybe a hidden switch to the clean out hatch, as the engines don't crank with switch open.

I REALLY like this suggestion. I hadn't thought about burning out the starters. I will look at applying the kill switch to the Hatch Switches.

Thank you
 
You will notice the hatch switches do 2 things...they "pull the lanyard" and "take the boat out of neutral". these 2 things happen in separate circuits, and that is why the hatch switch has 4 wires total on each side. The lanyard makes connection to stop ignition. That's why you can troubleshoot by unplugging the lanyard switch and the boat will run.

The "only allow cranking in neutral" circuit works the opposite. the circuit must be closed/completed for cranking to be allowed. interrupt this circuit and the boat won't crank over.

Best of Luck!
 
If you install a man over board system (Fell) you could take the safety switches with you. The system can be overridden, but you have to know how.
 
One could spend lots of time and money trying to prevent your boat from being stolen. I just ensure mine is well insured.
 
While I mostly agree with @Julian I do believe a bit of risk prevention can go a long ways in not making you the easier target and dealing with all of the headaches involved. Do you have a home security system and lock your doors? Do you have a safe in the house? Do you keep a PDW by the bedside? Same type of thinking but it can all be taken too far as a professional thief will find a way and some of those options come with their own risks. With a boat the first rule of thumb is to cover it. Most boats are very easy to hotwire for anyone that knows what they are doing. Installing a hidden DPDT switch on the hatch clean outs or the lanyard will do the job for starter disable.

Before doing a starter disable I would do a very simple car alarm with only the hood pin switch ground trigger which would be a lot more than most folks have. Just don't enable traditional shock/motion sensing or it will be going off all the time when it the water or on a lift. Ground triggers can be disguised as a fake shore power plug, loops of aircraft cable, working shore power plug also powering a relay (power outage will cause false alarm with this one), wire to a solar panel (solar panel doing nothing but rewired just to create a closed circuit when plugged in on the dock), or even a PIR sensor under the cover. If not on a lift with some sort of lock then a starter disable would be secondary to the above techniques IMO. The best is something that runs through the cover and hooks up to something on the dock. This forces a thief to unplug something whether they are trying to steal something out of your boat or the whole boat itself. A loud car alarm going off and flashing the anchor light on a boat will certainly surprise/confuse a thief and attract attention. Most certainly will scare off teens up to no good late at night. If a two way alarm and you are in range you can also be notified.

My boat is at a marina and it may employ one or more of the above risk prevention techniques on top of being up on a lift operated by a code hoping rf remote control system. I am not aware of any boats being stolen in the last 3 years from this dock but I know boats left uncovered have had fishing gear, water sports gear, and other stuff turn up missing. High end fenders and lines even when in use have been known to go missing. I find that those who spend a few extra minutes securing everything at their slip properly, and don't make it obvious if they leave items of value on the boat have never had an issue. Those who rush to save time and don't bother with a cover, openly stash away items of value in the boat, or don't bother to air down inflatables well I am sure you can guess. Again this can be taken too far but if simple 12v DC electronics are in your wheelhouse a basic car alarm using the hood pin switch trigger is cheap, easy (power, ground, and trigger) , and unexpected on a boat. The chirp chirp when you arm the system also make it known to those in ear shot that you are not an easy target. Just make sure you don't have a dead battery the next time you go to use the boat and do the other simple out of sight out of mind steps first.
 
While I mostly agree with @Julian I do believe a bit of risk prevention can go a long ways in not making you the easier target and dealing with all of the headaches involved. Do you have a home security system and lock your doors? Do you have a safe in the house? Do you keep a PDW by the bedside? Same type of thinking but it can all be taken too far as a professional thief will find a way and some of those options come with their own risks. With a boat the first rule of thumb is to cover it. Most boats are very easy to hotwire for anyone that knows what they are doing. Installing a hidden DPDT switch on the hatch clean outs or the lanyard will do the job for starter disable.

Before doing a starter disable I would do a very simple car alarm with only the hood pin switch ground trigger which would be a lot more than most folks have. Just don't enable traditional shock/motion sensing or it will be going off all the time when it the water or on a lift. Ground triggers can be disguised as a fake shore power plug, loops of aircraft cable, working shore power plug also powering a relay (power outage will cause false alarm with this one), wire to a solar panel (solar panel doing nothing but rewired just to create a closed circuit when plugged in on the dock), or even a PIR sensor under the cover. If not on a lift with some sort of lock then a starter disable would be secondary to the above techniques IMO. The best is something that runs through the cover and hooks up to something on the dock. This forces a thief to unplug something whether they are trying to steal something out of your boat or the whole boat itself. A loud car alarm going off and flashing the anchor light on a boat will certainly surprise/confuse a thief and attract attention. Most certainly will scare off teens up to no good late at night. If a two way alarm and you are in range you can also be notified.

My boat is at a marina and it may employ one or more of the above risk prevention techniques on top of being up on a lift operated by a code hoping rf remote control system. I am not aware of any boats being stolen in the last 3 years from this dock but I know boats left uncovered have had fishing gear, water sports gear, and other stuff turn up missing. High end fenders and lines even when in use have been known to go missing. I find that those who spend a few extra minutes securing everything at their slip properly, and don't make it obvious if they leave items of value on the boat have never had an issue. Those who rush to save time and don't bother with a cover, openly stash away items of value in the boat, or don't bother to air down inflatables well I am sure you can guess. Again this can be taken too far but if simple 12v DC electronics are in your wheelhouse a basic car alarm using the hood pin switch trigger is cheap, easy (power, ground, and trigger) , and unexpected on a boat. The chirp chirp when you arm the system also make it known to those in ear shot that you are not an easy target. Just make sure you don't have a dead battery the next time you go to use the boat and do the other simple out of sight out of mind steps first.
Some very good and well thought out information.
I am interested in the hood pin trigger idea. Where would and how would you place the trigger? On my boat a rear port seat must be raised to access the OEM battery switch. Is this where you would put the switch or somewhere else?
 
I am not suggesting actually using a hood pin switch ( of course you can) but rather a wire on a car alarm that goes hood pin switch and one of the ideas I posted to close the ground loop. May need a relay to keep circuit open until disguised device become an open loop if can't program the alarm for normally closed or use a different trigger NC trigger wire. The reason being is that simply protecting the boat from being started only covers someone trying to steal the boat by driving off with it or keeping child from messing around and starting it. Boats can be towed but even more common is people taking stuff from boats. Creating a circuit that runs from under the cover to the dock is a sure fire way to cover all the bases.
 
Well the more you know about a thief, their M O their motivation and their past habits the easier it is to stop them.
So maybe these links regarding boat theft activities in Miami Dade will give you some ideas of what they look for and how they carry out their activities.
 
GPS tracker then you can decide if you want to get it back or collect the insurance money. Even better keep the insurance money then track it and buy it back from an auction
 
I don't know if you'll stop a thief, you'll just make it more worth their time to move on to the next one. You could always do the GPS thing, track it, get notifications when it is moving from its moored location. And that is something you can do on land and and at sea, I have one on my motorcycle.
 
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