I had to lol

[Foobar]

Not trying to start start any flame wars, but I laughed when I saw this. Go Will ! lol

 

[ScarabMike]

Anything to make a buck I guess.

 

[Foobar]

I think it is pretty cool of him to offer that. I just bought a jet boat and decided to go with JBP's setup. For what I want to do it just works out better. If I would have been looking a year ago I probably would have went with the Cobras and today would be looking to change over to the JBP setup for the same reason.

 

[MrMoose]

It's a never-ending discussion... Right @swatski?

 

[jcyamaharider]

I think both steering fin makers will do a trade in deal.

 

[swatski]

I think both steering fin makers will do a trade in deal.

Yes. But only one is a trade up.

How about I'll leave it at that, LOL.

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[MrMoose]

Yes. But only one is a trade up.

How about I'll leave it at that, LOL.

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BAM! DROP THE MIKE.

 

[haknslash]

I don't see the issue here. Maybe I'm missing some old forum joke or something ...idunno . He's giving a discount on a package deal of two items (fins+TDE) trading in from a Cobra fin item. AFAIK Cobra doesn't offer a lateral device.

 

[veedubtek]

BAM! DROP THE MIKE.

Which one? @ScarabMike ? @bronze_10 ? Buncha Mike's here, Moosey, gotta be more specific when instructing the good Dr swat.

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

Actually I posted some information on facebook about this subject , So I will share this with you, keep in mind I have been doing jet steering many years.

Here is my take on lateral thrust as opposed to my MEGA FANG SYSTEM.
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I have been asked several times recently if my Magnum A K steering system would be compatible with another manufacturers reverse system, although it probably would be compatible as I do not see any reason it would interfere with the clearances. I honestly do not believe it would be the best choice .

So here is my take on reverse steering enhancements for the Yamaha jet boats.
I started making Fangs a couple years ago to provide better reverse control by channeling the reverse thrust in a more defined direction as it exits the bottom of the nozzle , the fangs also provide a more concentrated reverse thrust for avoiding collisions while docking and other times that an operator uses his reverse in off planing speeds for extra control and faster response to the helm when positioning the boat in tight quarters like crowded beaches and
for extra thrust backing the boat off a trailer or davit.
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Last year I started producing the MEGA FANG SYSTEM for even more assistance in all the previously mentioned areas and to add even more steering effect at all speeds enhancing the steering effect of the steering fin system as well.
While redesigning the fangs into the MEGA FANGS I also felt it would be more beneficial if these could be added to the Magnum steering / ULTIMATE steering/ Magnum A K systems / also to stock nozzles as standalone and to steering from other manufacturers.
Next I managed the pricing of these new systems, If the system already had a mounting plate as does the regular Magnum and the Ultimate systems the price is 85 dollars per nozzle for the Mega Fangs, locking tabs and hardware.
For systems that also require the base plate and installation hardware for the base plate.
The cost is $110 per nozzle. If those numbers are compared to other systems you should see a huge savings choosing the MEGA FANGS.
Now let me also say that it is important to understand that other boat manufacturers use a reverse that does work pretty well , However they do not use a 90 degree angle when producing a side thrust in reverse they use an angle for the thrust in the 45 degree range. It is my honest belief that any system that is taking some of the reverse thrust from the Yamaha boat application to produce side thrust is obviously reducing the full power of reverse not enhancing it.
Additionally placing an obstruction between the jet pump and the reverse opening of the steering nozzle directly in the path of the reverse thrust exiting the nozzle also reduces its pushing ability as this is being obstructed in a downward direction rather than a forward variable angled semi lateral direction as was intended from the factory.
Since big boats use a side thrust for docking it is not a new concept by any means but it is a totally DIFFERENT feature and always selectable, it never replaces the reverse and it is only applied in situations where it is necessary.
So if we compare the features and the cost of the Mega Fang System to other systems I really do not see why anyone would want anything other than the MEGA FANG SYSTEM on their boat.
Not only improving the real reverse in every way but also adding a power steering effect and enhancing the steering effect of the steering fin system as well, at a fraction of the cost!
So as I always say do your homework and buy your last steering system FIRST!

 

[haknslash]

Maybe this is a good thread to jump in and ask this but I see it posted all the time. What is the power steering effect? Our boats don't really offer a lot of resistance or feedback at the steering wheel so are you saying it's less or more feeling? When I think of power steering I'm comparing the feeling of it in a vehicle. Is this the same you are describing? Are twins harder to steer versus a single? I've driven a members 24' boat with fins and it was noticeably harder to turn the wheel than my boat without additional fins.

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

When you place part of a rudder or fin forward of the pivot point you use the water passing by it to help turn the rudder so adding those to the system reduces the amount of force needed to turn the system at the helm and this actually reduces the stress on the helm and cables etc,. Actually if you look back at the original fang thread I posted pictures of rudders using that principal .
Also consider that the steering you rely on the most is forward steering, with my systems you get slow speed assistance and high speed assistance , NO cross braces or rods attached between the fins below the nozzle dragging in the water.
My systems can actually steer your boat in an off power situation We did a 24 foot at wide open throttle , we pulled the throttle back to neutral and did a left turn and then a right turn with no power. In any event The biggest mistake people make is thinking that the steering systems are the same, nothing could be further from the truth. Compare the features and benefits before you buy any system then go with what you think is the best for your style of boating, I have been boating for 50 years .

 

[swatski]

Maybe this is a good thread to jump in and ask this but I see it posted all the time. What is the power steering effect? Our boats don't really offer a lot of resistance or feedback at the steering wheel so are you saying it's less or more feeling? When I think of power steering I'm comparing the feeling of it in a vehicle. Is this the same you are describing? Are twins harder to steer versus a single? I've driven a members 24' boat with fins and it was noticeably harder to turn the wheel than my boat without additional fins.

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https://jetboaters.net/threads/mega...ering-doughnuts-in-reverse.15877/#post-273191

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[Gym]

I see this as a win win win. Will gives us a 35% credit on the Cobra Finns then sells them back to Jeff for 45%. Jeff then sells them back to our finnless guys at a whopping 50% off. Ahh, the great American entrepreneurial spirit is still alive.

 

[swatski]

I think it is pretty cool of him to offer that. I just bought a jet boat and decided to go with JBP's setup. For what I want to do it just works out better. If I would have been looking a year ago I probably would have went with the Cobras and today would be looking to change over to the JBP setup for the same reason.

@Foobar Looking forward to your experience with side thrusters (LTEs)! Needlees to say, it would be great if you can ride the boat with and w/o LTEs - for us - for comparison. The LTEs have not yet been tested in the wild much. It will be great to see feedback from all the early adopters!

Side thrusters sound like a dream, when maneuvering in tight quarters in reverse, but only if that does not come at the expense of the weak factory reverse.

That potential issue with reverse, the way I see it, is where the LTEs may obstruct too much of the reverse thrust (exiting at the bottom of the nozzle) reducing the flow of (reverse) water coming out at the bottom of the steering nozzle (deflecting water downward and back, rather than forward). In my case that could be an issue - for example I need to stomp on my reverse fairly hard to get the boat off of a lift, and out of my slip in strait line. That was one reason I opted for the MEGAs which basically funnel the water under the hull and help the reverse (both going strait back and turning).

The LTEs could also make for some interesting scenarios when putting the boat in reverse at speed - when breaking - the JBP video warns against it.

I'm looking forward to @buckbuck pulling the first ever "sideways sub" move! Instant classic.



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[Foobar]

@swatski Have you watched the videos for the lateral thrusters yet? They only redirect thrust when you are hard over left or right. If you are just backing up as usual, there is no lateral thrust. I will let everyone know how it goes.

 

[swatski]

@swatski Have you watched the videos for the lateral thrusters yet? They only redirect thrust when you are hard over left or right. If you are just backing up as usual, there is no lateral thrust. I will let everyone know how it goes.

I sure have. That's what got me concerned. Those look big and no question get in the way of the reverse thrust.
The question is how much? (factory reverse is already pretty weak, that's where MEGAs help a lot)


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