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New 222 FSH Sport E. Random questions and thoughts

CastawayRK

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Boat Make
Yamaha
Year
2023
Boat Model
FSH Sport
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22
So I have 8 hours on it and so far delighted.4th boat but first jet boat and first twin. That impacts some of my observations The first 90 minutes of breaking in were like “ how much did I pay for this pontoon boat?” But now it’s awesome. Random thoughts and questions

I’m keeping it at 6500 RPM or lower until 10 hour service
Any opinion about charging trolling motor batts under boat cover? Seems either NBD or creating a Hindenburg ballon full of hydrogen
previously I have kept boats in garage and trailered. I’m keeping this one on a lift in the water. Which is pretty sweet but is there anything I need to watch out for?
boating here in Georgia is more or less 12 moths but we will have random freezes. Do jet boats truly drain completely when out of the water?
I had Thrust Vectors installed by dealer but with twins I really don’t think I need them
Has anyone installed trolling motor on the right to help with the dreaded port list?

I’ve learned a bunch from this board already thanks for that
cheers
Randy
 
PS
I REALLY like when bumping between forward and reverse you don’t get clunky grinding sounds like in I/O or outboard

why do the rocket launchers have braces across bottom that prevent rods from going all the way in? Anybody have issues with rods bouncing out?
 
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Congrats on the new boat!

Why are you keeping it below 6500 rpm’s until 10 hours ? Just trying to be extra nice to the engines? What’s the manual call for as far as the break in goes?

Which cover do you have? Are there vents at the highest point? You raise a valid point about hydrogen gas from the batteries.

As far as freeze protection….for the engine, yes they drain down, follow what the manual says about post operation, once it’s out of the water start each engine and rev each engine repeatedly from idle to half throttle quickly for 10 seconds and this will blow out a lot of the water from the water locks / mufflers. For the raw water wash down, I’m assuming that this is electric on your boat, just be sure to run it dry once out of the water, I disconnect the hose and hold it vertical to get all the water out. The live well system should also drain down once it’s out of the water.

Be sure and use the TDE position of the throttle handles and no wake mode to get the best low speed handling. I’m not sure if the E throttles allow you to infinitely adjust thrust between neutral and TDE or not, but using the no wake mode to raise the engine speed and use the TDE will get you brisk directional control. I don’t have any fins on my boat and don’t think I need them either.

I think some guys have installed their trolling motor on the right / starboard side, but the fiberglass on the stbd side in the mounting area is considerably thinner, It is thicker / reinforced on the port side for mounting the trolling motor. To correct the list be sure and keep the live well full. On my boat with the live well full it’s perfectly level with the trolling motor installed.

Copy that on the smooth transition in and out of gear. And, your boat has brakes, I/O’s and outboards will not shift into reverse if the forward speed is too great, your boat can be shifted into reverse at any speed. In boat tests review of the 195 fish sport Capt Steve demonstrates this at the 3:30 mark, as he says, “not something to be taken lightly“, and he’s serious, the stopping power is very strong. If you are too aggressive with this you can push the bow under (there’s a video on YouTube of some folks in a bow rider doing just that for fun) and throw people either out of the boat or put them on the deck if they’re not ready. Approach this incrementally until you get used to it, this is quite a safety feature.

The cross braces in the rocket launchers are so that on poles with bases that have slots the poles will not rotate and to keep them from dropping through too far. Your cap rail mounted rod holders are the same. I don’t think anyone has had a rod bounce out. Speaking of cap rail / transom mounted rod holders, you may want to check all of the ones on your boat to see where they drain to, as well as all of the cup holders. On my boat, of the eight cap rail & transom rod holders six of them drained into the boat, with two draining into the aft port / starboard storage compartments, the others into the bilge, I bought universal rod holder slip on drain sleeves from TH Marine and tied them into other overboard drains. Of the eight cup holders in my boat, four of them drained into the bilge, the two in bow just got capped off as there was no way to drain them overboard, the two in the transom got tied into the vertical rod holder drains that previously drained into the bilge. You may want to check to see if you need to seal all of the rod holders and cup holders, none of mine were sealed, and two of the cup holders located in the storage pods allowed wash down or rain water to leak into these storage areas.
 
Welcome aboard, and congratulations on your first twin/jet boat. Appreciate your observations coming from someone with prior boating experience. Don’t have much to add regarding your model specific questions.

Regarding the battery charging under the cover, if they are sealed batteries would you not be ok? My thoughts are as follows - Sealed battery should not release gas when charging, and if some did leak, under the cover is still a rather large area by volume. Also, most Yamaha covers are vented in some way - is yours?

Lastly, your question about freezing, there is a process in the owners manual for “burping” the engine after flushing to blow all the water out of the exhaust. If you do that, and since it sounds like the boat will be conveniently located on your lift, a day or two later fire it back up and let it idle for ~30 seconds or so you should have a pretty dry motor from my understanding.
 
When I hear “Break-in oil” I think a thinner oil without the same protection properties as regular oil, in fact intentionally less slippery to help rings seat. So arbitrarily keeping revs down. 35MPH is pretty much fast enough for my better half anyway so not much harm. As far as break-in the manual says below 5,000 RPM for 90 (loooong minutes because you can’t get on plane) and then let ‘er rip.

I honestly don’t know which cover I have, I think it wraps around the base of the t-top not over it. Haven’t yet felt like wrestling the bear to put it on since the boat is covered but at some point I will. I doubt there are vents anywhere.

Not sure what “TDE” is but the throttles have nice positive detents for F-N-R with the forward & reverse being about as slow as the boat can go, then I use the No Wake button to bump it faster and then bump it down as I approach the dock. If I get lost with the controls the direction for each engine is shown below the tachs. It’s also cool to be able to spin in place with the twin engines.

Y'alls advice about draining the water is helpful.

Thanks for the other info, knowing the fiberglass is not as thick on the right cinches it for me – install on the left!

Cheers
 
Break oil is a thing of the past. Yamaha oil is mineral oil, and it’s good oil, and that’s what’s in your engine when it’s delivered, it’s regular oil. Yamaha just wants you to change the oil after the first 10 hours and the break in period since there will be extra Contamination due to the break in process. What I would not do for the first two oil changes is put synthetic oil in.

TDE is explained in your manual. It stands for Thrust Directional Enhancer, it is the first detent when you go from neutral to forward, this partially raises the reverse buckets, when you push beyond that the reverse buckets are fully open. In TDE part of the thrust goes down and to the sides to aid in low speed handling.
 
just finished breaking in my '25 fsh222 E, coming from a 1'19 sx190, I'm loving this boat. I almost bought the jet thruster , the lady at the dealer suggested to keep the on from the sx190 and I only needed one, but I looked online and they are different, they have an opening for the link to to connect. honestly I was afraid and super careful when docking, turns out I don't think I need them with the twin motors. it handled like a champ.

I was looking for a place where to install my battery tender, I noticed the room behind the batteries, but there is no access to it except from above the motors, same thing on the starboard side, I was thinking on removing the divider, and relocate the pump, I could use it to store life vest, etc, they should've left some sort of access.

radio only comes on when start battery is on, while chart plotter comes on with house battery on, maybe just relocating the power wire from one to the other but there are so many wires together. I just left it as it is.

Wonder if the NMEA2000 connectivity issue was solved with the new models specially the new 1.9, did not explore the whole simrad but did notice the fuel consumption didn't have any data.
will play with it a little deeper tomorrow, want to see who it handles 1 and 2ft waves.

I notice the clean out ports are different now , they aren't as solid as before , they don't hold water like they used to and I don't see any aluminum to swell, kudos for that
 
Congrats on new boat! Mine is 2 years old now and can’t find much to fault about it. I have 2 battery tenders, since I added troller later. House/starter charger is under starboard rear seat with 110v plug on the outside. Troller charger is in the head compartment with plug under helm. Future project is to wire them to a single 110v plug
I don’t understand why radio is hooked to start battery and really I think that is bad idea. All the dash toggles run to house battery, shouldn’t be too hard to hook radio to the power running to those switches. Or see if Yamaha will wire correctly.
I’ve had no NMEA issues. Controller for trim tabs hooked in with no issues.
I don’t have experience with old clean out ports to compare, but as discussed here I put beeswax on them. I take them out at least weekly, or every time I come in if I’m not sure when I’m going back out. If nothing else I figure it additional anti-theft device if their doesn’t know jet boats since I keep my boat in a marina.
Cheers
Randy
 
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I REALLY like when bumping between forward and reverse you don’t get clunky grinding sounds like in I/O or outboard

why do the rocket launchers have braces across bottom that prevent rods from going all the way in? Anybody have issues with rods bouncing out?
Heavy duty rods have slots cut in bottom . so that brace helps hold rods on place.
 
Aside from the good things, I don't want to be negative, but maybe bringing this flaws I found, may encourage yamaha to improve, I feel the quality has lower a bit, spreader lights had a gap , you can tell the opening was bigger than supposed to, yeah i can caulk it, but why me and not them, buttons don't line up the curtains in the hatch, bunch of zip ties undone, lots of zipties cutouts at the bottom on every compartment, fiberglass at the storage compartment looks like a 5yr old kid did it, I've been in boat factories and I know how they work, and I can tell yamaha is not giving attention to detail, I know is not a 100k+ boat but what makes yamaha a yamaha?, Are my expectations too high?, I remember my fx cruiser and sx190 didn't have obvious flaws like that , and they both look well built and detailed
 
Mine is OK. Haven't found any thing wrong.
 
just finished breaking in my '25 fsh222 E, coming from a 1'19 sx190, I'm loving this boat. I almost bought the jet thruster , the lady at the dealer suggested to keep the on from the sx190 and I only needed one, but I looked online and they are different, they have an opening for the link to to connect. honestly I was afraid and super careful when docking, turns out I don't think I need them with the twin motors. it handled like a champ.

I was looking for a place where to install my battery tender, I noticed the room behind the batteries, but there is no access to it except from above the motors, same thing on the starboard side, I was thinking on removing the divider, and relocate the pump, I could use it to store life vest, etc, they should've left some sort of access.

radio only comes on when start battery is on, while chart plotter comes on with house battery on, maybe just relocating the power wire from one to the other but there are so many wires together. I just left it as it is.

Wonder if the NMEA2000 connectivity issue was solved with the new models specially the new 1.9, did not explore the whole simrad but did notice the fuel consumption didn't have any data.
will play with it a little deeper tomorrow, want to see who it handles 1 and 2ft waves.

I notice the clean out ports are different now , they aren't as solid as before , they don't hold water like they used to and I don't see any aluminum to swell, kudos for that

Get yourself a service manual, they’re helpful to have around. In the back are wiring diagrams and wire color schedules. I would think it wouldn’t be that hard to identify the wires feeding the radio. Question, is the radio controlled through the connext screen? The whole point of having a separate start and house battery is that the start battery is isolated from house or accessory loads so it remains fully charged and ready to start the engines.

As far as your “negatives” are concerned, I think most have encountered the left over manufacturing detritus in the bilge and other areas, some folks have found tools, owners manuals and mystery objects. Take some time and get the nose of the boat up high on land and rinse the bilge out. Get yourself some silicone sealer (I really like three bond 1211 which is the same as Yamabond it’s stays flexible) and fill the gap by the spreader light and move on to sealing up the boat so that you have a dry bilge.

You can start with the cup holders where they mount to the boat, mine as well as others found that the cup holders were not sealed from the factory and this was allowing water into storage compartments, same thing with the cap rail mounted rod holders. Also check the drains from the cup holders and rod holders, a few of my rod holders didn’t have drains so I got some universal ones from T-H marine and ran drain lines, the cup holder drains just had a small Ty wrap securing the drain line to the cup holder, those got replaced with hose clamps. Don’t forget the transom mounted cup and rod holders as well. Oh, and the two cup holders in the bow drained directly into the bilge, I just plugged those and use a rag to dry them out if they get water in them.

Have a look at the anchor locker drain, you may need to replace it with a stainless steel fitting. Check the link in my signature to see @drewkaree ’s thread on mystery water intrusion coming from the anchor locker drain and what I did with mine.

Next would be sealing up the clean out plug removable tray. This area is notorious for allowing a lot of water into the bilge. Use blue painters tape to mask off the areas around the interface where the tray meets the deck and use silicone sealer or seal and peel. Seal this area with sealer AFTER it is installed, you do not want to glue it down. You may want to pull this tray and check all the hose clamps in that area before sealing it up. Many of us have added a second bilge pump, and have placed it in this aft bilge area under the clean out tray, again check my signature for what I did, for redundancy and an increase in bilge pump capacity.

Check the sealing job around the deck drain fittings on the inside of the boat too.

Many have also replaced the nylon oem deck drain scupper with a stainless steel one. I personally like the GemLux ones as they are short. On my boat I had two nylon scuppers right at the waterline, one for the deck drain and one for the live well drain. Some folks have had these scuppers not sealed properly from the factory and were allowing water in. Some others have had these nylon / plastic scuppers break after years of use and almost lost their boats. Not sure about the deck drains on the outside of your boat but give them a gander. With the exception of the forward cup holder / rod holder and fish box drains all my scuppers were changed out to stainless steel thru hulls. Yamaha uses nylon thru hulls to keep costs down I’m sure.

If you still are getting some water in the bilge check the live well fittings.

Once you’ve sealed up all these areas you’ll have a dry bilge which is very nice especially if you boat in salt water. It’s really great when you pull your boat out and not a drop of water comes out of the drain plug when it’s pulled.

Being this is my first boat I expected more, but what I’ve learned is this how it is with either Yamaha or less expensive boats. If we are talking about a Grady White 218 explorer or other high end boat I’d expect everything to be basically perfect. BUT, Yamaha boats are the best bang for the buck, lots of features, reliable power plants, low maintenance and pretty economical fuel wise to operate.

So, get that new boat out on the water as much as possible and enjoy it, with 400 hp I bet your boat is a rocket if you drop the hammer. Peck away at these small items and you’ll build a ton of pride in ownership.
 
Been watching this videos of boats handling the S. Florida rough inlets, like boca, and haulover (don't live in that area anymore but i'm very familiar with it). Then I started to wonder how the new fsh222 or any fsh would handle it. I found only 1 video so far , but it brings some more confidence after seen it. The guy messed up at the end but it was fun to watch. Here is the link.
 
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Been watching this videos of boat handling the S. Florida rough inlets like because, and haulover (don't live in that area anymore but i'm very familiar with it). They started to wonder how the new fsh222 or any fsh would handle it. I found only 1 video so far , but it brings some more confidence after seen it. They guy messed up at the end but it was fun to watch. Here is the link.
Thats bullshit that that gave the win to haulover! Previously the losses were limited to the haulover rinse=bow stuffing or kids with no PFD’s. I’d say that was pretty stellar performance from the 222 FSH and the capt for keeping his speed up.
 
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