2021 252SD Boattest performance disappointing

[HangOutdoors]

No worries, enjoy your boat and your time with your daughter.

 

[Seadeals]

Oh...btw I did that two boats in the garage thing before. I avoided the admiral upgrading me; but still recommend avoiding that scenario.

 

[Cobra Jet Steering LLC]

On the Yamaha 1800 engines I recall the first 10 hours the top speed seems to be getting held back, possibly intentionally during the break in period, I know we discussed this a few times this in the past so I wonder just how many hours were on the boats they tested.

 

[Seadeals]

Shame on Yamaha marketing if they gave boattest.com a boat still in the break-in. I can’t imagine they would do that.

 

[F.M.]

I don't know where Boattest preforms their test for Yamaha, but ilf it's close to the plant, then it's being tested at almost 1k ft of elevation. Depending on temp and humidity on test day, that could effect performance by up to 5%.

 

[Seoul76]

Would like to take anyone out on a boat and see if they can tell me if we are going 45 or 50...

 

[KCAR250]

Would like to take anyone out on a boat and see if they can tell me if we are going 45 or 50...

It’s not just top speed, if I want to cruise at 40 I don’t want to be WOT, nor do I want to be at 7k RPMs to go 35. So to me top end speed matters even if I don’t plan on going that fast all the time. Plus ounce you start adding more weight and maybe you have a couple nicks in your impellers that 43MPH top speed is now low 30s at WOT. Or maybe you boat at higher elevations so again that 43 top speed is now reduced to being in the 30s at WOT. Plus as engines get older they can start to lose performance too.

 

[mwalker4]

Boattest tested a 2018 SX190 and thought they were testing a 2019, so I'm not sure about their attention to detail. This review has been on their site for 2 years. Yamaha SX190 (2019-) | BoatTEST

 

[Canuckjetboater]

OUCH... That's too slow... It's the same issue w the 2020 and older 210's w the twin 1.0L's.... 42.3 MPH w ideal conditions... translates to a slug on the water, especially when you are loaded up for the day. I guess I am now in the "boat" of stepping all the way up to the 255 and the 1.8L super charged motors. I saw that they were hitting 54 mph... that's a big difference for me.

@Ian S ....yes the supercharged 1.8s will do it. You'll have an arm pulling rocket! MY SX 195 will smoke, in acceleration and match the top end (51.2 MPH on GPS) of a friend's bowrider with a Mercruiser 350 mag in it.

 

[Hooker47d]

Just had my new AR250 on the water today. 80 degrees, 90% humidity, smooth lake, 3 adults ranging from 120-170 lbs and 4 kids with full fuel. Cruises at 28-32 mph at 4500-5000 rpm.

 

[KCAR250]

Just had my new AR250 on the water today. 80 degrees, 90% humidity, smooth lake, 3 adults ranging from 120-170 lbs and 4 kids with full fuel. Cruises at 28-32 mph at 4500-5000 rpm.

That makes no sense with what boattest is showing. Their saying at 5000 you should be around 16.7 Like everyone else is saying I don’t think boattest is reliable. Thanks for sharing!

 

[212s]

That makes no sense with what boattest is showing. Their saying at 5000 you should be around 16.7 Like everyone else is saying I don’t think boattest is reliable. Thanks for sharing!

@KCAR250 I think they just simply plugged in the wrong numbers for the review, or it seems the curve for acceleration is from some sort of raw data rather than observation. I've seen several reviews that has mis-leading speed/rpm numbers.

I think all of the Yamaha boats with 1.8l engines will plane and cruise around 5000rpm. If you push it to 5000 from idle and just let it climb up, it'll take a while to get up on plane and then cruise along around 20-25mph depending on models. For instance, to do 16.7mph with my 212s I have to drop off plane and bring rpm down to about 3800 which is great for making wake. In fact, 5100rpm is the best fuel economy for my boat which cruises along at about 27mph. I have to drop it down to 4500 to drop off plane...and it'll stay on plane as low as about 4800 and about 22mph.

@Hooker47d I think you meant to type 5000-5500rpm ? as that is the range where my 212s cruises and to hit the 30's I need to rev to about 5500.

 

[212s]

Boattest tested a 2018 SX190 and thought they were testing a 2019, so I'm not sure about their attention to detail. This review has been on their site for 2 years. Yamaha SX190 (2019-) | BoatTEST

@mwalker4 Boattest updates the years covered if the model doesn't change hull or engine configurations. That way they don't actually have to test another model year to get the same results - the 18 and 19 are the same boat just different colour schemes.

As an example, if you look at the 2019 212 Limited S, the video is of the 2017 model and they simply updated it to include the 18 and 19 model years as it didn't change in water performance. They'll probably update it to 20 and 21 years at some point since the hull and engines have not changed. Yamaha tends to do hull changes around the 5yr mark, so in a couple years the 21ft models may get another major modification.

 

[HangOutdoors]

I noticed Yamaha on their website now says 75 gallons for the 25' footers. Interesting they slipped it in on their website. Unless I am mistaken I thought it was 70 gallons.

Also early next week I am hopefully going to look at a 252SE at my dealer. See what I see and see if it gets me closer to upgrading.

 

[poidog]

I noticed Yamaha on their website now says 75 gallons for the 25' footers. Interesting they slipped it in on their website. Unless I am mistaken I thought it was 70 gallons.

Also early next week I am hopefully going to look at a 252SE at my dealer. See what I see and see if it gets me closer to upgrading.

I’ll take the 5 extra gallons! I wonder if their tank supplier changed due to covid and the new tanks are now the 75gal.

 

[Sonic Blue]

I noticed Yamaha on their website now says 75 gallons for the 25' footers. Interesting they slipped it in on their website. Unless I am mistaken I thought it was 70 gallons.

Also early next week I am hopefully going to look at a 252SE at my dealer. See what I see and see if it gets me closer to upgrading.

I’d be interested in you posting your opinions if the viewing works out ?

 

[JAELL]

I’ll take the 5 extra gallons! I wonder if their tank supplier changed due to covid and the new tanks are now the 75gal.

Interesting , I was the one that posed the original question 'was the 70 gallons on the website correct or was the manual's 75 gal correct?'. Dealer had no Idea. I spoke to the Yamaha regional sales manager yesterday and I was told the 70 Gallon number on the website was correct and the 75 in the manual was wrong.....

Now the website has been changed to 75 Gallon ..... I think I've seen this one before ... Curly ends up poking Moe in the eye....

 

[mwalker4]

@mwalker4 Boattest updates the years covered if the model doesn't change hull or engine configurations. That way they don't actually have to test another model year to get the same results - the 18 and 19 are the same boat just different colour schemes.

As an example, if you look at the 2019 212 Limited S, the video is of the 2017 model and they simply updated it to include the 18 and 19 model years as it didn't change in water performance. They'll probably update it to 20 and 21 years at some point since the hull and engines have not changed. Yamaha tends to do hull changes around the 5yr mark, so in a couple years the 21ft models may get another major modification.

Nope, 2019 SX190 is a completely different boat. Wider, longer, totally different hull. Has new instruments etc. Engines are the same. If I could go 43.2 mph in my 2019 in any conditions with no load I would do the jig.

 

[Ronnie]

I upgraded my 2006 sx230 ho to a 2010 242 LS in 2012. Although I love the 242 LS, it was the worst financial decision I’ve ever made. There were no performance Improvements nor an increase in seating capacity. We rarely use the head or tower and never use the jump seat option in the bow. Plus 2010 was the first year of the 240 series so I got the new gremlin of bad oil tank covers. Now with a kid in college and my boating habits changing / boating less, I wouldn’t buy a new or used Bow rider, especially not the first model year of it again. That is, I’m already in my last bow rider. Just got to make it last as a dingy for my retirement boat (something big, used and that I can comfortably spend weekends on, so I need AC, A tv, kitchen and a toilet, most importantly a slip to eliminate the need to tow altogether).

I felt the same way about recently selling my wife’s 2003 wavrunner and upgRadimg to a new 2021 waverunner. I know there is a huge difference in cost compared to boats but the logic still applies. Not much performance gain (none compared to my 2006 waverunner) lots of additional cost for what works out to some new features (e.g. cruise control and a brake/reverse lever along with a more complex user system/dash). Thankfully, this was my wife’s decision so I’m not in trouble with her, the cfo of our family.

 

[HangOutdoors]

I understand everything you said and feel the same way. That is why i am looking at every aspect beyond it being shiney and new.