FSH 210 Sport
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So I was doing my annual grease cone / jet pump maintenance and found some wear that is going to have to be dealt with. Keep in mind I have 750 hours on these shafts.
Back in June when I pulled the pumps to test a set of impellers I found some unusual wear marks on the starboard shaft where it interfaces with the intermediate shaft / coupler.
I thought I had a higher res picture of the starboard shaft back in August, but this is about as good as it gets.
This first pic is how it looked when I pulled it out, had some grease on the shaft…

This was after I had wiped it off a little bit.

This is the starboard shaft from last week.. it didn’t have as much grease on it this time but this pic was after I had wiped it off. It’s interesting how it has that weird wear pattern under the O rings that are at the end of the intermediate shaft. Keep in mind all of this is inside the intermediate shaft, or as it’s called in the parts fische, “shaft coupler”. Also, its hard to see in the pics but the splines on the starboard side are worn down a bit on the end where the splines fade into the shaft and the wear is a bit uneven, this points to alignment issue. The intermediate bearings have been lubricated religiously and have never been removed.

This is after I cleaned the splines thoroughly. The driven side is the left side of the splines, there is more wear on the this starboard side, and the wear tapers a little bit towards the end of the shaft.

By comparison this is the port side.


I sent these pictures off to some industry experts and the most poignant response I got was this;
Them-So is this out of a 2004 or 2006 boat?
Me-No, its a 2020 with 750 hours on it
Them-Chuckling, dude that thing is wore out! You’ve used your boat a lot which is great!
Me-Thanks, yeah I use it a lot and it’s a lot of fun.
I also sent these pictures and a description off to Vallely Sport and Marine in Bismarck, the service manager is going to have his jet drive guy who has been working on these things since the 90’s take a look as well, but his initial response was, looks like it is just the service life on these shafts, we have 2004 boats that don’t have even half of the hours you have.
So here is my conclusion. As I just mentioned today in another thread, I think the pumps should be pulled at 100 hours and the splines both on the shaft and inside the shaft / coupler should be cleaned and lubricated liberally with the molybdenum di sulphide grease. I also think I should have been using a gun cleaning rod with a shotgun patch on it to clean out the inside of the shaft coupler / intermediate shaft, and then apply some molybdenum di sulphide grease up in the shaft. There are two little O rings in there that can only be accessed with the intermediate shafts removed so you need to be mindful of that. I verified they are both still in there but are probably worn down a bit.
At the same time one should be pulling the caps or grease cones and replacing the grease in there as well. Over the past few years I’ve been putting a lot of hours on the engines trolling as I have been targeting a different species of fish that requires the use of the engines, and I’ve been averaging three oil changes a year. Hind sight being what it is I should have been pulling the pumps and lubricating the splines and this may have helped with the wear.
Also, when you pull the pumps that is the time to add grease to the intermediate bearings, and as @madtom showed with his intermediate bearings thread, if you add grease slowly, the excess will slip past the seal on back side of the intermediate bearing, and you can see this with a flash light from the stern when the pumps are out. Again, I should have been adding grease here more often as well, but I don’t think the intermediate bearings are worn out, with the pumps out I’ve got down in there and tried to feel any play in the intermediate bearings and cannot feel any at all, the cush drive rubber is still solid as well.
As a friend of mine put it, “you’ve been using a light recreational boat in a light commercial fashion”. With that in mind I’ll need to up the maintenance on the pumps, shafts and intermediate shafts accordingly.
So my jet boating brethren, this is the time of year to do this kind of maintenance, its not hard and it will take a couple of hours and will help make the components last as long as possible. Once you’ve done a pump pull, especially a couple of times, it takes longer to lay out the tools and such than it does to do the work.
Where am I at now? I am currently putting together all of the parts to do a complete rebuild on both pumps as well as new intermediate shafts and their bearing assemblies. As you might imagine these parts are not cheap, so far with new shafts, bearings, seals etc. I’m at about $2500 in parts so far, I also need to secure a couple of Yamaha speciality press and holder tools, that’ll probably add another $500 to the deal as the love joy coupler holder is $360 by itself. My friend Jim with all of his marine experience re powering large vessels with multi thousand horsepower engines and such has a plan to make sure the intermediate shafts are aligned properly when we go to re assemble it, to him I suppose this is like playing toys after installing some of those 2000 hp MAN engines… when it is all said and done, if the oem intermediates are good I’ll have a couple of spares, and a spare drive shaft. Pie in the sky it would be nice to find some used pumps and build up a second set, one for the low altitude impellers and one for the high altitude impellers, but always nice to have spares that could be swapped in to keep the boating season going.
Am I upset? Not really, I just didn’t have the experience but now I do. I’ve spent probably 2500 hours +++ on my boat over the last 5 years and I’ve had such a great time and learned a lot.
I’ll add to this thread once I get all the parts in and do the actual rebuild. Thankfully the OEM parts are still serviceable, so for the time being I can clean and lubricate everything and run it for a while longer while I get all the parts together then hopefully knock out the rebuilds in a day. Big thanks to @Neutron for all of his guidance, support and sharing his experience for getting this all done, in his words “it’ll be a piece of cake”.. and thanks to everyone else who has shared their experience working on these boats. @madtom @Dixemon to name a couple more.
Back in June when I pulled the pumps to test a set of impellers I found some unusual wear marks on the starboard shaft where it interfaces with the intermediate shaft / coupler.
I thought I had a higher res picture of the starboard shaft back in August, but this is about as good as it gets.
This first pic is how it looked when I pulled it out, had some grease on the shaft…

This was after I had wiped it off a little bit.

This is the starboard shaft from last week.. it didn’t have as much grease on it this time but this pic was after I had wiped it off. It’s interesting how it has that weird wear pattern under the O rings that are at the end of the intermediate shaft. Keep in mind all of this is inside the intermediate shaft, or as it’s called in the parts fische, “shaft coupler”. Also, its hard to see in the pics but the splines on the starboard side are worn down a bit on the end where the splines fade into the shaft and the wear is a bit uneven, this points to alignment issue. The intermediate bearings have been lubricated religiously and have never been removed.

This is after I cleaned the splines thoroughly. The driven side is the left side of the splines, there is more wear on the this starboard side, and the wear tapers a little bit towards the end of the shaft.

By comparison this is the port side.


I sent these pictures off to some industry experts and the most poignant response I got was this;
Them-So is this out of a 2004 or 2006 boat?
Me-No, its a 2020 with 750 hours on it
Them-Chuckling, dude that thing is wore out! You’ve used your boat a lot which is great!
Me-Thanks, yeah I use it a lot and it’s a lot of fun.
I also sent these pictures and a description off to Vallely Sport and Marine in Bismarck, the service manager is going to have his jet drive guy who has been working on these things since the 90’s take a look as well, but his initial response was, looks like it is just the service life on these shafts, we have 2004 boats that don’t have even half of the hours you have.
So here is my conclusion. As I just mentioned today in another thread, I think the pumps should be pulled at 100 hours and the splines both on the shaft and inside the shaft / coupler should be cleaned and lubricated liberally with the molybdenum di sulphide grease. I also think I should have been using a gun cleaning rod with a shotgun patch on it to clean out the inside of the shaft coupler / intermediate shaft, and then apply some molybdenum di sulphide grease up in the shaft. There are two little O rings in there that can only be accessed with the intermediate shafts removed so you need to be mindful of that. I verified they are both still in there but are probably worn down a bit.
At the same time one should be pulling the caps or grease cones and replacing the grease in there as well. Over the past few years I’ve been putting a lot of hours on the engines trolling as I have been targeting a different species of fish that requires the use of the engines, and I’ve been averaging three oil changes a year. Hind sight being what it is I should have been pulling the pumps and lubricating the splines and this may have helped with the wear.
Also, when you pull the pumps that is the time to add grease to the intermediate bearings, and as @madtom showed with his intermediate bearings thread, if you add grease slowly, the excess will slip past the seal on back side of the intermediate bearing, and you can see this with a flash light from the stern when the pumps are out. Again, I should have been adding grease here more often as well, but I don’t think the intermediate bearings are worn out, with the pumps out I’ve got down in there and tried to feel any play in the intermediate bearings and cannot feel any at all, the cush drive rubber is still solid as well.
As a friend of mine put it, “you’ve been using a light recreational boat in a light commercial fashion”. With that in mind I’ll need to up the maintenance on the pumps, shafts and intermediate shafts accordingly.
So my jet boating brethren, this is the time of year to do this kind of maintenance, its not hard and it will take a couple of hours and will help make the components last as long as possible. Once you’ve done a pump pull, especially a couple of times, it takes longer to lay out the tools and such than it does to do the work.
Where am I at now? I am currently putting together all of the parts to do a complete rebuild on both pumps as well as new intermediate shafts and their bearing assemblies. As you might imagine these parts are not cheap, so far with new shafts, bearings, seals etc. I’m at about $2500 in parts so far, I also need to secure a couple of Yamaha speciality press and holder tools, that’ll probably add another $500 to the deal as the love joy coupler holder is $360 by itself. My friend Jim with all of his marine experience re powering large vessels with multi thousand horsepower engines and such has a plan to make sure the intermediate shafts are aligned properly when we go to re assemble it, to him I suppose this is like playing toys after installing some of those 2000 hp MAN engines… when it is all said and done, if the oem intermediates are good I’ll have a couple of spares, and a spare drive shaft. Pie in the sky it would be nice to find some used pumps and build up a second set, one for the low altitude impellers and one for the high altitude impellers, but always nice to have spares that could be swapped in to keep the boating season going.
Am I upset? Not really, I just didn’t have the experience but now I do. I’ve spent probably 2500 hours +++ on my boat over the last 5 years and I’ve had such a great time and learned a lot.
I’ll add to this thread once I get all the parts in and do the actual rebuild. Thankfully the OEM parts are still serviceable, so for the time being I can clean and lubricate everything and run it for a while longer while I get all the parts together then hopefully knock out the rebuilds in a day. Big thanks to @Neutron for all of his guidance, support and sharing his experience for getting this all done, in his words “it’ll be a piece of cake”.. and thanks to everyone else who has shared their experience working on these boats. @madtom @Dixemon to name a couple more.
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