This trend is getting out of hand.....

[Bruce]

@Scottintexas, @the MfM, @scokill

I did not see the original post but I my feeling is that the OP is going out of his way to avoid politics in his post.



I do see several political replies to the original post.

We have a wide range of political opinions among our administration team, including Scott. We have Trump voters, Hillary voters and even people in the middle. We admins sometimes debate politics among ourselves on the phone or other social media platforms. However the forum membership chose early on to avoid politics on this forum as we have seen the harm that it has caused in other forums. We want to be able to agree or disagree on boating topics without politics getting in the way.

Flags became an issue when people started posting pictures of them to bypass the rules against politics.

If you do see political content on the forum please report it.

Personally I spent a day repairing damage from a political boat parade and will be spending more on it this winter when the water is down. So I do believe this is an important topic for discussion.

Thank you.

 

[scokill]

@Scottintexas, @the MfM, @scokill

I did not see the original post but I my feeling is that the OP is going out of his way to avoid politics in his post.

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I do see several political replies to the original post.

We have a wide range of political opinions among our administration team, including Scott. We have Trump voters, Hillary voters and even people in the middle. We admins sometimes debate politics among ourselves on the phone or other social media platforms. However the forum membership chose early on to avoid politics on this forum as we have seen the harm that it has caused in other forums. We want to be able to agree or disagree on boating topics without politics getting in the way.

Flags became an issue when people started posting pictures of them to bypass the rules against politics.

If you do see political content on the forum please report it.

Personally I spent a day repairing damage from a political boat parade and will be spending more on it this winter when the water is down. So I do believe this is an important topic for discussion.

Thank you.

Lol!

 

[scokill]

Here is a parade where nothing was damaged or sunk. This should be only viewed for boating safety purposes only. The claims of this boat sinking because of a parade are dubious.

 

[Bluewater272]

There's a pretty stark difference between that parade and the one in the video in the OP. Those boats are all basically plowing through the water, few boats there you probably could have surfed off the back of. I would wager that boat was in trouble already, but the water conditions created by the parade certainly exacerbated both their situation, as well as approaching boats rendering assistance.

 

[scokill]

There's a pretty stark difference between that parade and the one in the video in the OP. Those boats are all basically plowing through the water, few boats there you probably could have surfed off the back of. I would wager that boat was in trouble already, but the water conditions created by the parade certainly exacerbated both their situation, as well as approaching boats rendering assistance.

The point of the post was "this trend (boat parades) are getting out of hand". There are hundreds, the one posted was one example. This is one with no issues as you will find many, many others with no issues.

 

[Bruce]

I wish that we had video of the boat being swamped.

It looks like the boat was towing a tube. Perhaps they stopped to pick up someone who had fallen off? Or were they passed by the parade while pulling the tube? Either way it was a small boat that was unsuitable for the rough conditions created by the large group of boats.

Unfortunately we have a few members who know how quickly that even our Yamahas can be swamped. Fortunately our Yamahas do sink although the engine and electrical damage can result in the boat being totaled.

Some of these events are well organized while others such as the event on the lake I live on are causing quite a bit of harm.

 

[scokill]

I wish that we had video of the boat being swamped.

It looks like the boat was towing a tube. Perhaps they stopped to pick up someone who had fallen off? Or were they passed by the parade while pulling the tube? Either way it was a small boat that was unsuitable for the rough conditions created by the large group of boats.

Unfortunately we have a few members who know how quickly that even our Yamahas can be swamped. Fortunately our Yamahas do sink although the engine and electrical damage can result in the boat being totaled.

Some of these events are well organized while others such as the event on the lake I live on are causing quite a bit of harm.

Not related to parades, but....we had a pop up storm a couple of years ago and boats were tied together at a party cove. They were scrambling to get off the water and about 20 people had be rescued out of the water, and 2 boats completely sank to the bottom. Happened again on Sunday. 18 People Rescued From Lake Ray Hubbard During Sunday Night's Storms

 

[WiskyDan]

Now if we could just get the Yamaha and Scarab people to get along....

 

[Scottintexas]

I did not see the original post but I my feeling is that the OP is going out of his way to avoid politics in his post.

View attachment 130850

I do see several political replies to the original post.

We have a wide range of political opinions among our administration team, including Scott. We have Trump voters, Hillary voters and even people in the middle. We admins sometimes debate politics among ourselves on the phone or other social media platforms. However the forum membership chose early on to avoid politics on this forum as we have seen the harm that it has caused in other forums. We want to be able to agree or disagree on boating topics without politics getting in the way.

Flags became an issue when people started posting pictures of them to bypass the rules against politics.

If you do see political content on the forum please report it.

Personally I spent a day repairing damage from a political boat parade and will be spending more on it this winter when the water is down. So I do believe this is an important topic for discussion.

Thank you.

First let me say I'm sorry to hear about your parents shoreline, if you need an extra set of hands I'm happy to come over and help you/them for the weekend. I may even speak to Claire and see if she will release @Betik from his "indentured servant" service to help

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my issue is that the OP has linked an article created to clearly be divisive and controversial that is based on speculation,

I think most would agree if you were to create a post that read "Boat parades can cause damage, be mindful out there" and shared your personal experience or posted an article with facts most every member would agree and respect it.

To link to an article that speculates on the facts and is only about a headline because President Trump's name is involved I feel is not productive for our group

If we can see/discuss the "speculated" chaos and destruction caused by President Trump supporters why can't we see a beautiful picture of the Statue of Liberty with an American flag from a member's boat just because there's also a President Trump flag in the scene ? That line that used to be pretty clear (except for the Wuhan Virus thread) is now getting blurry for me.


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[anmut]

Not related to parades, but....we had a pop up storm a couple of years ago and boats were tied together at a party cove. They were scrambling to get off the water and about 20 people had be rescued out of the water, and 2 boats completely sank to the bottom. Happened again on Sunday. 18 People Rescued From Lake Ray Hubbard During Sunday Night's Storms

Who's staying out there for the storms or do they just appear that suddenly?

 

[Wayloncle]

I wish that we had video of the boat being swamped.

It looks like the boat was towing a tube. Perhaps they stopped to pick up someone who had fallen off? Or were they passed by the parade while pulling the tube? Either way it was a small boat that was unsuitable for the rough conditions created by the large group of boats.

Unfortunately we have a few members who know how quickly that even our Yamahas can be swamped. Fortunately our Yamahas do sink although the engine and electrical damage can result in the boat being totaled.

Some of these events are well organized while others such as the event on the lake I live on are causing quite a bit of harm.

I saw some videos from the parade on your lake. The first thing I thought of was I hope your dock or whatever you have on the water is alright.
One of the videos I saw seemed like the parade was way too close to the dock system the person was standing on, and the water was crazy rough banging on the side!

 

[anmut]

To me, this argument about damage from waves, is similar to the people that complain about wake boats. One parade / weekend of surfing vs. 24/7 wind and storms that go for hours? It's all anecdotal! If your shoreline got washed out from a parade of boats, was it in good shape to being with? If your boat/dock got damaged because of a wake boat - was it properly secured?

Shorelines and docks are at the constant mercy of nature - could an event such as a parade or a wake boat create a failure event, surely it could, but I would ask: was the failure inevitable?

 

[Enduro900]

First let me say I'm sorry to hear about your parents shoreline, if you need an extra set of hands I'm happy to come over and help you/them for the weekend. I may even speak to Claire and see if she will release @Betik from his "indentured servant" service to help

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my issue is that the OP has linked an article created to clearly be divisive and controversial that is based on speculation,

I think most would agree if you were to create a post that read "Boat parades can cause damage, be mindful out there" and shared your personal experience or posted an article with facts most every member would agree and respect it.

To link to an article that speculates on the facts and is only about a headline because President Trump's name is involved I feel is not productive for our group

If we can see/discuss the "speculated" chaos and destruction caused by President Trump supporters why can't we see a beautiful picture of the Statue of Liberty with an American flag from a member's boat just because there's also a President Trump flag in the scene ? That line that used to be pretty clear (except for the Wuhan Virus thread) is now getting blurry for me.


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Nailed it! ?

 

[ShesCrafty]

 

[dgfreeze]

I'm surprised we haven't seen much (if any) recommendations for how to keep the waves down as best they can. I understand the topic went off the rails due to the nature of the post, and believe me, I've got some fiery opinions in the political realm also, but ultimately, how can we as a community educate each other on how to keep the waves down, so as not to create enemies out of others on the water/shoreline? I've always felt that for my boat, and at least most others, being on plane seems to give off a smaller wake than plowing bow up through the water... is there a speed that would be a good "all around" average to minimize wakes? Is there a formation that would limit the size of waves/wakes? I know boat parades seem to have gained popularity as of late, but they're not new. There has to be some knowledge out there on how to keep them safer for everyone.

 

[AZMark]

I'm surprised we haven't seen much (if any) recommendations for how to keep the waves down as best they can. I understand the topic went off the rails due to the nature of the post, and believe me, I've got some fiery opinions in the political realm also, but ultimately, how can we as a community educate each other on how to keep the waves down, so as not to create enemies out of others on the water/shoreline? I've always felt that for my boat, and at least most others, being on plane seems to give off a smaller wake than plowing bow up through the water... is there a speed that would be a good "all around" average to minimize wakes? Is there a formation that would limit the size of waves/wakes? I know boat parades seem to have gained popularity as of late, but they're not new. There has to be some knowledge out there on how to keep them safer for everyone.

From the looks of that video it seems that any speed other than what they were doing would have been an improvement. Can’t be that many dumb captains in one spot, maybe it was done for effect without realizing the risk to nearby boats.

 

[Bruce]

First let me say I'm sorry to hear about your parents shoreline, if you need an extra set of hands I'm happy to come over and help you/them for the weekend. I may even speak to Claire and see if she will release @Betik from his "indentured servant" service to help

Scott, thanks for the offer. The walled boathouse was grandfathered in. A similar structure can not be built now. We may build forms and pump concrete more than 400 feet replace the collapsed wall section. A better option may be to tear down and haul off the existing structure and replace it under current restrictions.

There were many photos and videos of similar bad behavior along the lake and speeding under bridges. Traffic going the opposite direction had to hide between docks to avoid being run over. Hundreds of docks and boats were damaged.

In this instance the parade destroyed more than $30K of property at a single home owned by people who voted for the candidate supported by the parade. The act certainly cost that candidate their boats.

I considered posting video to show the boats close to the dock and large combined wake but decided not to due to the flags.

Shorelines and docks are at the constant mercy of nature - could an event such as a parade or a wake boat create a failure event, surely it could, but I would ask: was the failure inevitable?

My parents boat house had survived decades of summer weekends and flooding. The tremendous wake of the combined boats traveling at wake surfing speeds demolished a concrete wall. It certainly was a unique occurrence.

 

[biglar155]

Honestly, when I first saw it, it reminded me of my first time running up the Wolf River on a Saturday in my old 17' Rinker.

I had to call on my long-dormant ATV riding skill to keep the boat upright due to the multitude of massive boats that were passing me in both directions. If I would have stopped, I'd have been swamped.

 

[anmut]

My parents boat house had survived decades of summer weekends and flooding. The tremendous wake of the combined boats traveling at wake surfing speeds demolished a concrete wall. It certainly was a unique occurrence.

Really not trying to sound like a DB when I say this so let me add a few smiley faces before... so are you sure that a boat house that has survived "decades of summer weekends and flooding" wasn't already at a tipping point? Older structure + decades of summer weekends and flooding... sounds like the cause of the failure and the parade was just the catalyst. (still hope that doesn't come across like a DB)

 

[Bruce]

Really not trying to sound like a DB when I say this so let me add a few smiley faces before... so are you sure that a boat house that has survived "decades of summer weekends and flooding" wasn't already at a tipping point? Older structure + decades of summer weekends and flooding... sounds like the cause of the failure and the parade was just the catalyst. (still hope that doesn't come across like a DB)

I get it. The combined wake broke loose and knocked over a 5'x5' section of 8" thick concrete leaving a corner of the structure unsupported. It was old concrete but it was concrete!

The boats were illegally close to the boat house and other docks at the speed they were traveling.